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Annie
02-07-2009, 09:52 AM
Octuplet mom defends her ‘unconventional’ choices
Nadya Suleman denies being selfish, says she holds each baby 45 minutes

Struggles ahead for octuplets, mom?

The Southern California woman who gave birth to octuplets last week told TODAY’s Ann Curry in an exclusive interview that growing up as an only child, she had always dreamed of having “a huge family.” She also denied charges that she was irresponsible to have so many babies — especially with six other children already at home.

“People feel, you know, this woman is being completely irresponsible and selfish to bring these children in the world without a clear source of income and enough help to raise them,” Curry told Nadya Suleman in a segment that aired Friday on TODAY. “The world outside is saying, ‘What are you doing?’ ”

“I know I'll be able to afford them when I'm done with my schooling,” the 33-year-old single mom replied. Calm, poised and articulate in the glare of the media spotlight, Suleman added: “If I was just sitting down watching TV and not being as determined as I am to succeed and provide a better future for my children, I believe that would be considered, to a certain degree, selfish.”

‘I love my children’
Suleman, who said she holds each premature infant 45 minutes each day, said she was hoping to have one more child after having six previous children, all of whom are under the age of 7. She said she had six embryos implanted, two of which resulted in twins. Curry reported that although Suleman has received disability payments from the state of California, she said she refuses to accept welfare payments. Suleman and her children live with her mother, Angela Suleman.

“All I wanted was children. I wanted to be a mom. That's all I ever wanted in my life. I love my children,” she told Curry.

Curry said that Suleman said she intends to return to college in the fall to complete a master’s degree in counseling. Suleman had worked in a state mental hospital from 1997-2006, but spent much of the time after 1999 on disability after injuring her back in a riot at the facility.

Suleman said she is a good mother.

“I'm providing myself to my children. I'm loving them unconditionally, accepting them unconditionally,” she told Curry. “Everything I do, I'll stop my life for them and be present with them. And hold them. And be with them. And how many parents do that? I'm sure there are many that do, but many don't. And that's unfortunate. That is selfish.”

‘Phenomenal risk’
Suleman said she was fully aware of the risks of carrying eight fetuses. “Those are my children, and that’s what was available,” she said. “It’s a gamble.”

In a separate segment, NBC’s chief medical editor, Dr. Nancy Snyderman, said the gamble didn’t end with the live births of all eight babies.

“That risk is not only to mom — her uterus can rupture and she can die — there’s a phenomenal risk to eight babies. Eight babies, by definition, cannot be born normal weight and robust,” Snyderman told TODAY’s Matt Lauer after watching Suleman’s interview with Curry.

She explained: “They’re going to watch these kids very carefully for eating problems, growing [problems], and then seizures, jaundice, heart problems, lung problems, blindness, developmental delays — there’s a laundry list of things. Long term, because some of these children will be physically or mentally challenged, there’s a looming price tag out here. The hospital bill alone will run $1.5 to $3 million. Forget about getting to college; just to get through special-needs stuff — it’s going to have to come from somewhere, either the taxpayers of California or her family or her church or the hospital. But she can’t do it alone.”

NBC contributor and psychiatrist Dr. Gail Saltz added that there will be emotional issues to deal with as well. “Undoubtedly these eight children are going to have issues: at the minimum, the issue of neglect,” Saltz told Lauer.

“Obviously, she’s saying she’s going to love them, but there are 14 children and [only] one of her,” Saltz continued. “There’s going to be an absence of some emotional needs. There will probably be developmental delays at best in these children; maybe learning disabilities. There are going to be major issues that they’re going to need various therapies for.”

Childhood dream
Suleman said she went to the same in vitro fertilization clinic to have all 14 of her children. All were conceived with donated sperm from the same father, Suleman said.

Suleman told Curry that the father is a bit overwhelmed right now, but she is hoping that he will want to get to know his children when he is ready.

“How did an only child end up with 14 children?” Curry asked Nadya Suleman.

“Describe what you felt you lacked within,” Curry said.

“Feeling of self and identity,” Suleman replied. “I didn't feel as though, when I was a child, I had much control of my environment. I felt powerless. And that gave me a sense of predictability. Reflecting back on my childhood, I know it wasn't functional. It was pretty dysfunctional, and whose isn't?”

Saltz later opined to Lauer that Suleman’s statement reveals emotional issues. “I think she’s in a bit of denial here and quite defensive, because in fact she does talk about the fact that this has been her life’s mission: to have babies, have babies, have babies. There’s an obsession to this, and I think it’s quite disturbing,” the psychiatrist said.

“When you don’t have a connection in childhood, you go see a therapist,” she added. “You don’t have 14 babies.”

An ethical debate
While the world celebrated the birth of fairly healthy octuplets, public sentiment has shifted as it's been revealed Suleman also has six other children, ages 2 to 7, and is a single parent who conceived all 14 of her children through in vitro fertilization.

The divorced single mom told Curry she tried to get pregnant for years before finally succeeding.

“I went through about seven years of trying, through artificial insemination, through medication. And all of which was unsuccessful. And then the first IVF procedure from that facility — it was successful. And then I just kept going in.”

While it hasn't been revealed which doctor implanted eight embryos at once into Suleman, the octuplets' birth has sparked an ethical debate in the medical community.

Annie
02-07-2009, 04:38 PM
Well, I could rant on and on about this one...

While I would never question anyone`s desire to have a large family, I do question the wisdom, responsibility, and sanity of a single woman with no real means of supporting herself and the six children she already has, making the decision to implant 6 embryos at once! Not only did she put herself at an incredible risk (and, if something had happened to her, what would have become of the 6 children she already had), but there is no way that all those babies would be born healthy and well.

Which makes me wonder what fertility doctor in his right mind would implant that many embryos? I will be anxious to hear what backlash there is from the medical profession. It may be legal to do so, but is it ethical? My opionion is it is not and maybe we need tougher regulations in the medical profession.

So, here she is with 14 children now, no visible means of support, and a very tough road ahead for those eight little babies. Who is paying for their care in the hospital? How can one person possibly care for all these little ones when they leave the hospital, particularily if they need additional care and have health issues?

Maybe she is hoping to cash in on the "celebrity" of it all... Is that how she will pay to go back to school? Who will be caring for her children then? Will they get all the love and attention that children should get from their mother? Is she planning on having even more children?

I'm very much in agreement with Dr. Gail Saltz... it is disturbing.

What do you think??

cbermom
02-08-2009, 10:52 AM
I've pretty much tried to steer clear of this situation...it is not my place to judge; however, one statement here really jumped out at me.

Suleman told Curry that the father is a bit overwhelmed right now, but she is hoping that he will want to get to know his children when he is ready.

I always understood sperm banks to be anonymous. Even if they are not, that this woman expects the donor to come forth and bond with/have a relationship with these children reaffirms that she is, in fact, delusional. If not, there is a WHOLE LOT MORE we don't know...

Annie
02-08-2009, 01:25 PM
I don't like to judge others, but I guess I kinda did :lol: I definately have opinions on this one!

Wendy, I guess it depends on the donor situation -- if she used a donor from a bank, then it is most likely annonamous (although there are identity release donors) and they wouldn't necessarily even know they were the donor for these pregnancies.
However, it could be a friend or aquantance who agreed to be a donor... (I'm inclined to think this is the case here)

Lollyellen
02-25-2009, 03:32 PM
Okay, I can't hold back...
"OctoMom" - that name absolutely gives me the hugest creeps! EVERY single time I see that word - and I see that word every day, it seems in the media of course :no: - it gives me a scary mental image of a Spidermanlike-villian...with her Angelina-Jolie-wanna-be face and fourteen arms holding fourteen babies...! *shudder* Yick!

Annie
02-25-2009, 07:45 PM
"OctoMom" :rotfl:
Does conjure up quite the image, doesn't it??